Justin Young (00:07.685) And here we go. Three, two, one. This is the One Shot Podcast. My name is Justin Robert Young and that's John Teesdale. How you doing, John? John Teasdale (00:22.95) I'm doing great. I am so excited. I am so excited to be exploring this idea with you. Justin Young (00:30.212) Here's the pitch. We're gonna only have thirty s minutes to come up with something. We're gonna do everything that we possibly can to do it. We're going to just give it to Codex, and then next week we're gonna come back and see what it is. So you'll I mean, this will be the first episode. You'll see what it is in the end of this, but just know that's that's how it goes. John, we're already burning daylight here. We're damn near through our first minute. John Teasdale (00:56.32) No. Justin Young (00:56.951) What what are we what are we feeling? I I have an an opening pitch, right? This is something we've talked about for a long time that we can finally make real thanks to this beautiful technology. Uber for Ghosts. We can do Uber Boober for, you know, Uber for Ghosts. Boober. Travis Kalonic's back in the news. I feel like the boobers time is is is here. John Teasdale (01:12.025) Who are for ghosts? Boober. Justin Young (01:25.877) I I'm open though, if you have anything else. John Teasdale (01:30.263) No, I think I think boober is perfect. So just for transcript purposes, that is boober with six O's, the middle two capitalized. Is that correct? Alright. Excellent. Justin Young (01:36.748) Yeah. Justin Young (01:41.632) Yeah. Yes. Yes, that is that is what it is. it was a joke we started making over ten years ago because while they were trying to ruin Travis Kalanik's reputation. They said he had so much sex as CEO of Uber, he should call it boober. We said, wouldn't it be funny if it was Uber for Ghosts? And now we're finally making it real. There's no such thing as a wasted breath in life, ladies and gentlemen. John, how do we make this a reality? What do we need? John Teasdale (02:13.086) Alright, so the first thing that we need to decide is is this going to be an iOS app or is this going to be boomer dot com? Justin Young (02:26.059) Feel like it has to be I my heart says an IOS. John Teasdale (02:35.16) Woo, all right, that is a challenge. That is a a challenge for a one shot. I think I think the Justin Young (02:39.359) Yeah. But you wanna know what? Let's let's let's start with it. Let's let yeah, let's let's start with a website. let let's let's think experience first before we go form factor. Are are are is this for ghosts? Are ghosts interacting with this or is this for humans who want to match with ghosts? John Teasdale (03:00.172) This is for humans who want to humans who want to hire the services of ghosts. So a human will will choose a type of ghost and an area that they would like the ghost to go. and then so similar to Justin Young (03:10.027) Okay. Justin Young (03:19.52) Well, I mean they're gonna go to them. They're gonna go to where they're gonna go to where they are, right? If you're gonna if you need a ghost on demand, on call. John Teasdale (03:25.782) Yeah, you set you set like a you set a you can set a location in the map. You know, like when I when I use Uber, I can I can send an Uber to somewhere else, to somewhere I'm not. Like essentially like if somebody else is over there, I can send an Uber to a a location on a pin. Usually it does come to you though. So that's the default thing. Justin Young (03:32.884) Gotcha, yeah. Yeah. Justin Young (03:38.73) True. Yeah. Yeah. Justin Young (03:46.9) But the default the default is that it's where you are. That's where that's where the the location defaults. John Teasdale (03:57.07) Yes, now now do we want the do we want the first thing, the first touch to be selecting the type of ghost? 'Cause I feel like that's that's the Uber model, right? First you choose, you know, I want comfort, I want Uber Excel, like I w you want a type thing and then you choose where where to send it. Justin Young (04:14.92) Yeah. Justin Young (04:23.751) Yeah, I feel they're the well, are they? Hold on, wait a minute. Let me open Uber so I can see exactly. In fact, you wanna know what we're going to like literally clone Uber. We're cloning the Uber website or we're cloning the experience. All right. So if I wanna go no, it it's it's first what I wanna do. So like if I'm selecting locations, then I'm gonna go to the airport, and then once I've hit airport Now now I have the option to pick what kind comfort electric, comfort, Uber XL, wait and save. I'm gonna take a Lyme e bike to the airport, which is a smart idea. all right, so first things first, it is the service. Or yeah, it's the service, and where do you want to go? Well, I guess what do you want from a ghost? Let's think big picture here like Do you want a ghost to tell you ancient wisdom? Do you do you want a ghost to haunt your enemies? What are the what is the marginal utility on a ghost? Where's the ghost alpha, tease? John Teasdale (05:42.19) Well, you know, like ghosts ghosts from mythology, like from from a ghost standpoint, ghosts are usually some kind of like they represent some kind of like unfinished business in the world. It's like either either something like something when you are haunted by a ghost, right? When you are haunted by a ghost, there is some kind of like unfinished business, there is some kind of Justin Young (05:58.222) Mmm. Justin Young (06:04.861) Yeah. John Teasdale (06:12.141) there is some kind of like gap. Like gap in the world. Either it's a regret, it's something that you wish you had done, it's an opportunity that you missed. so really what you should what these ghosts are doing is they are they are creating an aura of of regret in an environment. Justin Young (06:36.793) Well, all right, look, let me all right, how's this pitch? we're gonna take this shit to Sand Hill Road. yes, they have unfinished business. That's what people think. But what we see at Boober is motivated part-time labor that is willing to get what you need done, done immediately. Nobody works as hard as a ghost. They they make movies and Where these ghosts are working hard twenty-four seven. You never know when you're safe from these things, right? So now your odd jobs, your knowledge needs, your knowledge work needs. they unlike human labor, they're up all night. I mean, they're they never sleep. They're they don't rest. They can't. They're stuck in this halfway realm. John Teasdale (07:26.829) That's true. Actually ghosts go be the AI killer because they also don't require a data center. Justin Young (07:32.142) Yeah. Everybody's thinking, how do I get involved in AI? We at Boober are thinking, What's next? And we think it's ghosts. John Teasdale (07:47.992) Right. Justin Young (07:51.076) All right, well give me a use case. John Teasdale (07:51.841) Right, it's it's not AI, it's D I Justin Young (07:58.628) Dead intelligence? Justin Young (08:04.728) Deceased it. yeah, let's class it up. Come on. Let's not let's not be vulgar here. John Teasdale (08:09.945) Deceased what what's the deceased ectoplasmic intelligence. Justin Young (08:19.043) DEI all right, come on. We knew John Teasdale (08:22.969) I didn't I didn't realize. That one's already Justin Young (08:25.335) We'll save that for the all right, we'll we'll we'll we'll save that for the for the for the slides when we bring it to VCs, but All right, w give me a use case. You open up boober dot com and what is Teasdale, what do you want to do with a ghost right now? Like what would you hire a ghost for? John Teasdale (08:46.809) So one thing what one really good thing is like my Apple Air tags keep running out of batteries, right? so if I wanna if I want to find something but my air tag is out of batteries like think about how many ghosts low-level ghosts there must be out there who just like can't find their keys. They can't find their keys, they can't find their wallet. These ghosts could come to your location and just be searching around Justin Young (08:54.434) Okay. Justin Young (09:10.125) Yeah. John Teasdale (09:16.763) So that's a ghost that I'd I'd probably wanna I'd use that ghost all the time. Justin Young (09:22.156) Yeah. So they can't okay, they can't find their keys, but they can find your wallet. you just need to hire these ghosts. They will come haunt your location and identify for you where your item is. So y so you just need to tell John Teasdale (09:40.365) Right. So then I would just walk around. I would just walk around my room like feeling for like a slight chill and then if I felt that slight chill I'll be it's close around here 'cause like I've walked through a ghost. Justin Young (09:57.191) Hmm. I feel like we need a visualization though. We need some kind of like the ghosts are working, they're on their way. Uber does a great job with that where it shows you how far away is it. That that's like a number one customer anxiety thing. So we need some sort of visualization of where are the ghosts, what kind of ghosts are there? where are they? How f how close are they to me? Are they ready to find my item? there's Yeah, we need we need some kind of animation, some kind of you don't know. That's the that's the goal. John Teasdale (10:29.517) Who is the ghost? Like to like who is the ghost? What did they do when they were alive? What what did they what did they do when they were alive? And how did they die, I think. Justin Young (10:41.172) You only find that out once you match, 'cause otherwise everyone's gonna go for the good ghosts. So it's like, you know, we we have to every once in a while it might it it might be a murderer. Like we don't know for sure. Like we just know that we can summon ghosts. sh maybe it's somebody who died heroically saving their family. I I don't know. Like you have to book this service to find out. John Teasdale (11:06.681) Alright, so let's let's generate we're gonna generate a map screen Justin Young (11:09.61) We do have different types of ghosts though. John Teasdale (11:15.171) That's true, that's true. All right, so I'm gonna I'm gonna dictate here for a second. generate a map image, like an image for an app running on a phone that is an Uber clone. It's an app called Uber, and it's showing you a ghost, the location of a ghost that you have hired to come to your location that's currently on its way, and it is showing the ghost's name, what year they died in, how they died, and what the ghosts unfolded. finished businesses. Give me an image of that. Alright. So we have a we have our first screenshot. We have our first screenshot coming up. Justin Young (11:58.868) Good, good. what kinds of ghosts? You have like ghouls, you have screamers, you have wraiths. Phantasms. John Teasdale (12:18.137) I mean do we wanna hire all of these ghosts or do we just I think w do we wanna just start with regular ghost? Different jobs for different ghosts, A ghost a ghost for every Justin Young (12:21.959) Different jobs. Justin Young (12:26.309) It's rigging. Yeah, so you're saying that we need to start with just the black cars. John Teasdale (12:39.85) I mean I mean I feel like I feel like version one version one you know y we sh we should test the market with the most reliable ghost. Justin Young (12:43.389) Yeah. Justin Young (12:48.997) Okay, well let's put the rest of those there but we'll gray out. Like just so everybody knows that we're we're coming with all that. We gotta show like there are features that we're just waiting to turn on that we can summon a a a ghoul for you. John Teasdale (13:02.524) Upgrade to boob or pro to be able to to be yeah, to be it. Justin Young (13:09.682) please make sure all right, make sure that in that screen grab we tell them that it's more than it's more than two O's 'cause we don't want to get sued by that old joke. Justin Young (13:26.031) Your ghost is on the way. Perfect. This is great. John Teasdale (13:26.049) Right. Sued by sued by the old ghost I do think I I would prefer to see the portrait of what they looked like when they were alive instead of you know, I love Eleanor Graves, it's great. She died She fell from lighthouse stairs. my gosh. Justin Young (13:41.284) In instead of Justin Young (13:48.891) Well what do you think her unfinished business is? Climbing? It John Teasdale (13:49.821) Unfinished business. Well it says it's it's to return a barred wedding ring. So Justin Young (13:56.401) I would have think it would be finish installing the banister for my lighthouse. John Teasdale (14:03.234) Okay. John Teasdale (14:06.585) Yeah, right. So so this would be a good ghost this would be a good ghost to hire for just like general warnings of like unsafe things around the house, right? Like if you have young kids in your house and you can't be bothered to install safety equipment, like this ghost ghost could come and just like startle them when they're about to like, you know, like walk into the the laundry machine or or something like that. Justin Young (14:17.56) Mm. Justin Young (14:24.442) Yeah. Justin Young (14:34.971) Sure. So all right, but then as that at that point is it a semi permanent haunting or are these w limited engagements? Because what you're talking about, I wanna I want the bulk rate on Eleanor. Like I wanna make sure I have I have a two year old. Like I need to make sure that she isn't accidentally falling down the stairs. John Teasdale (14:36.705) And they start playing with the outlet. Just boo. John Teasdale (14:51.959) That's true. This is more of a I feel like I feel I feel like we're more into like a task rabbit situation. Or like a a like a part time job. Justin Young (15:00.75) Mm, you wanna know what? A great idea isn't afraid to evolve, T. That's that's a good idea. We're we're kind of we're gonna stay with Boober, but I feel like, yeah, we are in like a a a a task rabbit situation. Like the you call it haunting, we call it improvement, we call it Ten Xing. Ten X your hauntings. John Teasdale (15:30.997) Yeah, you call it 10X year hauntings. It's like it's like what's what's the combination of haunting and hustling? Justin Young (15:44.056) Hauntsling? John Teasdale (15:45.882) Where haunting means hustling. Haunts. That's the billboard. that's the billboard. All right. generate the billboard where Justin Young (15:48.416) We're haunting meets Hustling. Justin Young (15:59.085) No, but that's no, but that's the one we have to put in Ghost World. Like like we're we're we're we're trying to sell ghosts on downloading our app so they can be they can make side hustle money. Although Uber did do that for a while. Remember when like it went from like all their ads weren't about the consumer side and they were all about the rider or the the the the driver side? It was all like I'm a single mother and John Teasdale (16:14.649) Hmm. Justin Young (16:26.606) And I made four billion dollars driving Uber. so maybe it's that. Yeah, we're haunting meets hustle. Get your haunt hustle on. This is a perfect app for fall. John Teasdale (16:38.017) I feel like yeah, I feel like that work I feel like that both work that works both for consumer and like the and the the worker side of it. 'Cause like the good news about ghosts is like we're actually not gonna pay them. Like they're they're floating around their thing. We're just harnessing that energy that already exists. You don't pay the lightning for the Justin Young (16:54.614) Yeah. Justin Young (17:00.535) We're just kind of attracting them with our proprietary algorithm. like they don't get paid. They're sorta just like led along like animals. hey, by the way, Teesdale, we are on the back half of our fifteen minutes here, so we need to really build out our framework. John Teasdale (17:08.269) Right. John Teasdale (17:20.695) We do, we do. I do think that where haunting meets hustling is the messaging that we want to go with. so we have this we have this UI. this looks a little this looks this doesn't quite look right to me. I feel like I feel like this looks a little too style. Justin Young (17:29.322) Yeah. Justin Young (17:39.67) Cartoony. John Teasdale (17:43.905) It looks a little cartoony. so let's let's generate a new. I think this this UI looks a little too cartoony. Justin Young (17:47.146) Yeah, we need people to take us seriously with our Uber for Ghost App. John Teasdale (17:55.416) Very much. This has to look much s more serious. When I wanna see the picture of Eleanor Graves or whoever it is, I wanna see like a you know, a a humanoid. Like I wanna see a human, it can be ghostly features, transparent features. but I also wanna be able to message with her, you know, as she's on her way. And that that can be really like where we set ourselves apart. Justin Young (18:02.847) Yeah. Justin Young (18:08.394) Yeah. Justin Young (18:16.607) Yes, of course. John Teasdale (18:22.003) in the app. It's like we c we'll be able to message with the ghosts, they'll be able to message back. all right, so let's let's tell this Justin Young (18:25.631) Yeah. Justin Young (18:29.513) I mean at this point the consumer is sick of apps that jam in the feature of summoning ghosts. We're gonna differentiate ourselves by being allowing you to talk to them. John Teasdale (18:42.709) Exactly. Like like the big con the big competitor is of course death with a Y. Justin Young (18:50.398) Ha ha. John Teasdale (18:55.705) So we are not we are not death with a why. Justin Young (19:06.58) We're not death. No, we're not death. We're Justin Young (19:13.672) Way more. Way more. Yeah, no, it's not death with a pink a pink bouquet of flowers that they lay at the the the grave of their at will employees. no, we are boober and we we have a a a track record for efficiency. John Teasdale (19:40.27) Yes. Alright, so let's I think we we have a pretty clear view of like what the product is. Now we need to get into the details of like what the user flow is and how it's gonna be built. So when the user comes to the page, they see a landing page with our our big hero, you know, where haunting meets hustling, and then a reserve your ghost today button. Justin Young (19:46.206) Yeah. Justin Young (19:55.847) Yeah. Justin Young (20:00.115) Yeah. John Teasdale (20:06.113) Click reserve your ghost today, it will prompt you for your email. You'll type that in. Justin Young (20:11.676) Just reserve your ghost. We don't need to have today. It's just you 'cause it's on demand. Just reserve a ghost. Summon a ghost? Is it awaken a ghost, summon? John Teasdale (20:21.709) Summon summon your ghost. The button says summon your ghost. No. So you tap you tap that. Justin Young (20:25.328) Summon your ghost. Yeah. Yeah. So you hit you hit you hit you hit the summon button, and then are you entering in what you want them for, or the ghost is just gonna figure it out? That's the cool thing about ghosts. They're very intuitive from a workplace scenario. You are bas this is a one button solution to haunt your house. John Teasdale (20:51.181) Yes, and I think you do enter in what you want them to do. I think you do enter that. Because that's gonna determine the type of ghost. So so now we're getting into technical implementation details. When you enter in when you enter in what you want the ghost to do, it will send to the server where it will use a Cloudflare AI binding. Justin Young (21:05.573) Yeah. John Teasdale (21:17.697) And it will analyze the sentiment and construct the ghost profile for you, including the photo of the ghost, the name of the ghost, how they died, and what their unfinished business is, ensuring that that ghost is as suitable and professional. Justin Young (21:17.701) Okay. Justin Young (21:24.037) Yeah. John Teasdale (21:39.426) match for the task that you would like to use the ghost for. Of course some ghosts are some ghosts will be harder to find. So if the task if the task is like particularly difficult, the ghost may be further away. But then it will show you a map Justin Young (21:40.773) Yeah. John Teasdale (21:57.586) of the current location of the ghost. So it will it will go to the next screen, it will show you a map of the current location of the ghost, and then the the ghost will animate towards you across the map until it gets to your location. Justin Young (22:06.171) Yeah. Justin Young (22:11.354) Yes. Your ghost has arrived. That's that's the alert. Let me let me let me also just make clear that we are yeah, I I think we we nut you should never type anything. I feel like typing is so last decade. It's so teens. Everything is voice now. So you just hit summon a ghost. John Teasdale (22:17.283) Your ghost has arrived. All right, this This looks much cleaner, I agree. Justin Young (22:43.693) What do you want? Microphone enabled. You tell it what the problem is and boom, now the ghost is figuring it out. You're not you're not typing anything with your with your hands. I don't I or maybe there's buttons, like general buttons of like, scare a cat or find my keys or you know, I don't know, interfere in my little league game. like angels in the outfield. Like there's there's like maybe some basic things that are like regular use cases, but otherwise it's just boop, tell tell what it is. 'Cause otherwise we have a big text field and people are writing an essay. We messy. This is a this is a this is an on the go app for professionals. John Teasdale (23:29.145) No okay okay that's that's John Teasdale (23:35.32) Alright, so we need a new a new version of this UI that is voice only. So all you do you just open it up, you talk to it. so you're both talking to the app in order for it to request the kind of ghost that you want. and then also when you're talking to the ghost, you are also talking to the the voice of the ghost and it is using a a spooky voice. Of course, 'cause it's a ghost. Justin Young (24:12.947) All right, we got we're we're in our final six minutes here. So what else what else do we need here? We need we need to finish the user experience at the very least, right? So the ghost arrives. Do we know when the haunting has ended? Does it tell you when the haunting has ended? John Teasdale (24:28.317) yes, I think I think depending on the task that you ask it for, it will allot the ghost to you for a certain amount of time. So the app once the ghost arrives, it will show a countdown timer. we we do not have the ability to extend the ghost at this time. But then when the ghost is finished, you obviously Justin Young (24:47.116) No. That's that's definitely a boober one perk to extend your haunt. Like right now you only have the limited haunt that we give you. John Teasdale (24:57.241) Yeah. John Teasdale (25:03.263) Exactly. But when it is over, you can rate your boober ghost with one to five headstones, I think you give them. Justin Young (25:08.437) Yes. Justin Young (25:19.979) Wait, you're rating it on how dead it is? John Teasdale (25:24.301) No, just how how effective of a ghost it was. Justin Young (25:27.591) This dude this dude was so dead. He is like a five dead stone ghost as opposed to one He was dead ass dead. John Teasdale (25:34.657) He was dead ass. Like that's five headstones. Like this was the dead ass ghost. Yeah, dead ass g- look at that. That's great. Look at that. Look at that image. Version three. I love this. This is this is fantastic. can you can users create an account? Justin Young (25:41.601) Justin Young (25:46.197) That's awesome. Justin Young (25:51.934) That's great. That's great. okay, so you're able to rate it on you of course. Yeah. I mean, once you start boobering, you're never gonna go back. Like, this is gonna this is this is I I'm just gonna tell you, we are gonna fucking get killed by the seance union. The seance union is gonna be on our ass. John Teasdale (26:07.627) Okay, so so I feel like logging in with John Teasdale (26:19.213) Ha ha ha. Yeah, the no seance the no seance summoning is is no seance required. Justin Young (26:26.558) The no seance summoning, yeah, for the busy young professional. John Teasdale (26:30.638) Yeah. Absolutely. Like why would you why would you need to hire a like you know, someone with a seance medallion, when you Justin Young (26:41.308) I know, yeah. They're gonna show up to your house, you need a gigantic round table, they're gonna knock under it, like they're gonna tell you that your grandma died, like enough, we've been there, we've done that, the credit card machine doesn't work half the time, let's just do boober. John Teasdale (26:55.757) You need someone to like f like the light switch on and off. Like that's not good for your electricity. Justin Young (27:00.263) Yeah, yeah. Enough of that. And also I don't know where my keys are and I'd like to hire a ghost. John Teasdale (27:06.647) Yeah, the candle like the savings on candles alone. Justin Young (27:09.919) The candle savings alone, you're making money when you use boober. John Teasdale (27:16.267) It's true, especially since we have not we we we do not have any way to talk for Justin Young (27:19.687) Okay, three minutes, three minutes, three minutes, three minutes. So yes you're able to make an account. John Teasdale (27:24.449) All right. All right. Three minutes. So a account will be email with OTP. It'll just email you an OTP and then and then you will magic magic link or or like a six digit code. you enter the code, you you get your account, it saves your account. Justin Young (27:34.003) Yes. Yeah. Magic link. Yeah. John Teasdale (27:47.948) All the entire the you know what I'm just gonna make a decision right now. This is gonna be a web app. The entire thing will be hosted on Cloudflare workers. it will the storage will be in the their SQL light database, the authentication storage will be there. Active active ghost sessions will be WebSockets with durable objects and Justin Young (27:54.309) Okay. John Teasdale (28:13.31) everything else you're gonna have to figure out on your own guy 'cause we are out of time. Justin Young (28:19.207) We have well, we have two minutes left. We have two minutes. So All right. we the you you o you open the web app, little animation, full moon, that then pulls out and it's the the the biggest capital O of Boober as a bat flies by and then a ghost comes up from the bottom left hand corner and winks and John Teasdale (28:46.527) and I I feel like I feel like when you open when you open it while it's loading, there needs to be a wolf howl sound. Justin Young (28:54.744) Okay, okay. I mean we don't offer wolves. I don't know if that's if that's like false advertising because we we offer a lot of ghosts. We can have rattling chains, but I don't know if we can have a wolf owl. John Teasdale (28:56.951) Okay. John Teasdale (29:10.041) Okay, rattling chains? That could be a good one. Justin Young (29:16.036) Yeah, yeah. Okay, is there a distinctive sound? All right, we have less than a minute. Is there a distinctive sound? Like everybody's got their chimes or they're like doodle doop. Like what is what is the distinctive sound of boob? John Teasdale (29:31.125) It's rattling change with a oo. Justin Young (29:32.962) It's Okay, there we go. Rattling chains with the ooh. 30 seconds. 30 seconds. any any final touches? Any technical things that you want to go in? Because all this is the prompt. All this is gonna go into the prompt. This is gonna go into codex. This is one shotting boober. John Teasdale (29:46.829) This is the prompt. One shot. make no mistakes. Justin Young (29:54.949) Twenty seconds. There we go. Yes. and there we go. We've done it. John Teasdale (30:04.003) Yeah, I think I think that's it. I'm excited to see I'm excited to see how how it comes out. Justin Young (30:10.82) All right, and that is our thirty minute one shot segment. John, let's see how it turned out. John Teasdale (30:20.225) Yeah, we'll all find out we'll all find out next week on one shot. Justin Young (30:25.272) No, we'll well no we'll we'll we'll combine these. It'll just we'll shoot separate, but we'll combine and so the episode one will be We'll find out next week. No, but we can't say that because then it's not movie magic. The fuck. Alright, whatever. I'm ending this fine. John Teasdale (30:32.142) Me and you will find out next week.